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View Poll Results: How much salt and what kind?
Instant Ocean Marine Salt 4 4.30%
Seachem Rift Lake Salt 36 38.71%
Epsom Salt 34 36.56%
None of the above, please explain. 19 20.43%
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The primary aim of all commercial products that contain salts for cichlids (Seachem, JBL, Aquatic Nature, and others), is to adjust the water hardness (KH and GH). Secondary, by their trace elements all those products trying to simulate, as much is possbile, water from African lakes.
In the past, I used a variety of such products. Gradually, I decreased the amount of used salts until my fish were familiarized with tap water.
But....i have two external canister (JBL e1500, Tetratec 1200) for each tank, filled with marble and crushed coral ...just because KH and GH in my town are very low....just 1-2 degrees.

I don't use salt (sodium chloride) against various pathogens. A "healthy" tank, with a good water and food don't need salt.
Remember...tropical fish are hyperosmotic. Accidental large amounts of salt increase the salinity of the enviroment and the fish will be "hypoosmotic", related to water osmolarity, and consequently appears shock or osmotic stress...
Yeah if you add TO MUCH salt all that could happen, they start to lose their buoyancy and act erratic, but as a tonic a little salt goes a long way, I found this explanation on the net.....

"Here is a plausible theory about how changing the concentration of salt in the water helps the fish. The pathogens, such as bacteria and protozoa, are simpler forms of life that have no internal organs to compensate for the change in salt concentration.

But fish have organs, such as kidneys, that enable them to adjust to a small change in the concentration of salt. So changing the concentration of salt weakens the pathogens without harming the fish, and this gives the fish a better chance to recover".

I'm usually an avid Epsom Salt user, but I remember using Seachems Cichlid Lake Salt with my Malawi tank years ago with some positive results in color and vibrancy in the cichlids. This salt does not alter PH, Carbonate Hardness.It simply adds essential trace elements that are naturaly found in the Lake. Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium, Sodium, Aluminum, Iodine, and Iron.
Do we need it? Probably not. Could it help? I'm sure it could.

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Seachem Tanganyika Buffer ! My fish love it and seem to show more defined color.
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I think part of the confusion is the word Salt.

You have your salt that adds salinity, and then you have your "salts" that add minerals to the water that may increase your hardness and up your pH.

The main reason people add salt for salinity in their tanks is as a preventative against many things. This is a major debate between hobbyists as whether to use salt, as in salinity to their tanks. Personally I walk the fence on this issue, I don't know that it does any good, but I don't know that it hurts anything either. I don't use salt for salinity myself. Aquarium salt, kosher salt, soft water softner salt, etc, does not raise your pH.

Then you have your "salts" that aid in adding minerals to your water, which increase your TDS and can also increase your pH. You can buy these at the fish store, or make your own with house hold chemicals. It is generally a mix between baking soda and epsom salts.

Everyones water is different, so there is no set recipe how much salt or "salts" you should add to your tank to manipulate your water. Its trial and error. and your pH can crash quickly and more easily then if you are trying to raise your pH with a substrate or filter media.

I am just saying, be aware of what your adding to your tank and why.

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Some good points Pam!

I use API Salt as it aids mainly in Gill Funtion but also helps heal any wounds that do occur at any time with me having to add the salt if it happens. Being that HIgher temps (I keep mine at about 80*F) in water has a lower DO (Disolved Oxygen) retention this added Aquarium Salt Helps.

I use CaribSea's Reef Grade Aragonite as it automatically buffers the water to 8.2 while maintaining Gh and Kh.

I also use 1 Tbsp/ 10 us Gals of Epsom Salt for 2 Reasons.

1. The natural Affects of regular bowel movements helps to keep the from bloating and also maintains proper water balance within their bodies.
2. The Magnesium helps to raise the Gh a Bit more than the Aragonite and Gh affects the coloration in the Fish because the trace elements needed. Everyone "Should Know" that Kh is more important than Ph (Alkalinity) as the Kh is what maintains the Current Ph level (whatever it is) in any event that may cause an Ammonia Spike. Without proper Gh/Kh Ph can Drop, even if only by a little, the Alkalinity which makes the Ammonia Much More Lathal than if it were to Spike in a Tank with proper Gh/Kh as the Ph would remain stable.

I know that things can happen and I'd rather be prepared when they do.

Here are some really good Articles to read from for more info on this subject...
http://www.malawimayhem.com/articles_chemistry.shtml
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i use epsom salt just to help with any digestion and backup
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I use Aquatics Cichlid salt. Have been very happy wiht the results so far.
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I like it so much its so interesting for me.
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i use epsom salt just to help with any digestion and backup
Yeah, that was the main reason that I started using it.

P.S. Have you ever thought of Putting the 47 F1 trophs in that 120g and putting the 15 WC RR in the 90? I have my 14 Ikola in a 4ft 90g and they produce all of the time...

Just curious...
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has anyone noticed less breeding when using the non branded chemicals like baking soda, epsom salts and kosher salts?
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has anyone noticed less breeding when using the non branded chemicals like baking soda, epsom salts and kosher salts?

I only use whatever generic store brand Epsom Salts and have not any issues with it. my Ikoal Breed like Rabbits COmpared to the rest of my Colonies but then again, I hand picked the 3 males to put with the 13 females.. So this could be a factor.

I just moved my Chaitika Colony Bakc into a 6ft tank and my Ilangi have a 6ft all to themselves now as well as my Chimbas and Dubs... So we'll see if that help increase the Spawning... But I may very well have to remove some males from the Chimab and Dub Colonies as the Count for the Dubs is 11fm/ 15m and the Chimba is 8fm/ 15m. But the chimabs were producing fine in the 6ft tank so I don't really want to distrub their pecking order just yet...
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That's cool but I guess what I meant by non branded chemicals are products like SeaChem and API vs. products like baking soda and epsom salt etc. Thanks for the insight and help
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