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View Poll Results: Is it worth stripping eggs from females?
Yes, strip the eggs 24 48.98%
No, let her hold until she spits 25 51.02%
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Hello Tropheusfans,


For my and in my opinion, to extract eggs or to incubate the eggs artificially is unnatural. I do not like this practice.


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For my and in my opinion, to extract eggs or to incubate the eggs artificially is unnatural. I do not like this practice.


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Yeah, but it deosn't hurt anything at all. Especially if consider that you can Actually save the lives of some fo the fry that could have possibly been eaten upon releasing...

Make more sense to me.
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The females that I have watched in my own tanks seem to teach the fry survival technics for one thing. I don't think the actual stripping is the main issue, it's the removal of the fry from the mother that may have an effect on them.
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I agree in some respect with Angel, that it is unnatural, because in nature it is the survival of the fittest. However, I have no problem with the practice. If you are breeding your fish to build a large colony, or to make money, it is the only way to do it. Otherwise you are going to lose a lot, if not most, of your fry.
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In reality, sometimes the female dies in the wild because she deprives herself of essential nutrients to survive because she wants to care after her fry so much. I read an article once that explained this. Some females were recorded to hold fry up to six weeks if I remember correctly.
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I strip after 28 days, if I want fry to survive. Most of the time I let them spit in the tank. Only a few survive. The survivors seem like they are on their own. No help from mom.
I have one female that will hold for 40 days. She gets really worked up trying to keep them in her mouth. She gets so skinny, then 2 weeks later she's holding again.
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The females that I have watched in my own tanks seem to teach the fry survival technics for one thing. I don't think the actual stripping is the main issue, it's the removal of the fry from the mother that may have an effect on them.
There is no technique to Surviving... it's either hide or Be Eaten until you are big enough to defend yourself.

And it doesn't have any affect on them this has been proven before and amny have attested to the parenting skills in female fry being absolutely no Different if they are stripe from their mother when young or left to be tended to or not.


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I agree in some respect with Angel, that it is unnatural, because in nature it is the survival of the fittest. However, I have no problem with the practice. If you are breeding your fish to build a large colony, or to make money, it is the only way to do it. Otherwise you are going to lose a lot, if not most, of your fry.
Yes, I agree with that firt sentence of yours as well. But it doesn't affect the parenting skills of the fry in the future if they are Strippde as fry or wigglers or eggs.

it's all in Embedded in the genes... "Instinct".

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I strip after 28 days, if I want fry to survive. Most of the time I let them spit in the tank. Only a few survive. The survivors seem like they are on their own. No help from mom.
I have one female that will hold for 40 days. She gets really worked up trying to keep them in her mouth. She gets so skinny, then 2 weeks later she's holding again.
They eat enough when they are holding to do so. or if they had enough residual callories prior to spawning... I've let a few spit in the tank and the bold statement above is exactly what happens.

To Many animals are humanized these days... IMO.
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Yeah, but it deosn't hurt anything at all. Especially if consider that you can Actually save the lives of some fo the fry that could have possibly been eaten upon releasing...

Make more sense to me.


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It depends on the personal preferences of every hobbyist.


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It depends on the personal preferences of every hobbyist.


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Well duh!? LOL

But like has been previously stated, in a sense that one wants to have more viable fry, then Stripping is the way to go... it's been priven time and time again by many hobbiest, especially on this forum Ifmy memory serve me properly.... But to each their own.
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Well duh!? LOL

But like has been previously stated, in a sense that one wants to have more viable fry, then Stripping is the way to go... it's been priven time and time again by many hobbiest, especially on this forum Ifmy memory serve me properly.... But to each their own.


As well you comment it is the best system for the survival of the babys...
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