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Default From fry to adult? And max size fish to tank size relationship.

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How long have you seen it take to grow a fry all the way to a 5+in adult tropheus.

I understand that they can breed much sooner than this size.

But fry f1 wiggler to 5in adult. How long? ONly in 6ft tanks?

Iv mostly kept wilds and grown fry for a year..mayby 1.5yrs max.

So I understand how long it takes to grow one to sexual maturity and that growth rates are higher when younger.

But I wanted to know more along the lines of thst last 2inches...growing from 3 onward to 5 inches. oince growth slows down.

Is that a 3 year or more process?



2. And did the size of water have an effect on the end result?

I know that growing my fry out in the largest tanks I have sure does help speed growth.

But this question here isnt about speed...this one is about final turn out and tank size.

As in stunting. As in, can you even grow a group of fry out to 5in size in small tanks? Or will they always be 4inch and under...yet reproductive.

Do you have to basically start with a troph that has the frame set up already big...and then keep him in any size tank?

I have a friend that has a bunch of tanks...and some of his F1s he has had for years...and none are as big as the 5.5inch wilds that were imported at that size. Like as if there just isnt a way for him to push the f1s into being a bigger fish in 48inch long tanks.


SO I guess...how long to get to that size from fry..if possible?

And will a wild imported at 3inch ever grow onward to 5+ inches if not put in a large tank?

Can you grow huge trophs all the way out in 4inch tanks?

Maybe yall can get a discussion out of that.

Thanks..

John
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I Purchased my F1 Ikola in Oct 2010 and started the 22 of them in a 4ft 60g breeder. After that I moved them to a 6ft tank and they have not been in any less water than 110g and the 9 females in with my WC Colony are all 5"

Just over 3 years later.

4inch tanks? Why would you grow a Tropheus out in a CUP?

How often is he performing partials on those tanks?
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4inch tanks? Why would you grow a Tropheus out in a CUP?
Trophish spent many years on tour with his favorite Hippy band. Thats why. He grows them in his Loving Cup.
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I Purchased my F1 Ikola in Oct 2010 and started the 22 of them in a 4ft 60g breeder. After that I moved them to a 6ft tank and they have not been in any less water than 110g and the 9 females in with my WC Colony are all 5"

Just over 3 years later.

4inch tanks? Why would you grow a Tropheus out in a CUP?

How often is he performing partials on those tanks?
lol

Yeah, I do think it has something to do with water changes as well.
And Im thinking purigen may be something we see turn into a helpful contributor.

Reasons I asked these questions was because of the fry size discussion, and the wiggler nomencature discussion.

I also am planning to grow out some maswa to full adult. And I know from experience= that you can breed tropheus at 2.5+ inches...but I want to grow them to 5" and thats why im going to use thst old beat up 125 as a farm tank.

And I have some wilds that are 3-5 inch and I was also pondering how long it would take the 3's to catch the 5's.

I of course wont have the water change issue and I feed good food.

So I guess its just a 3 year from fry thing...and that the 3inch wilds are just going to need another year or more.

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I have grown out all of my tropheus from fry. My Bemba are 3.5 years old. I bet only three are 5". The rest are about 4". I strarted them in a 120, then swapped out that tank for a 180. They started breeding and holding full term at 2 years. Some of my smallest females are good mommas. My RR fry were in a 65 high then moved to a 90 after a year. Most of them are 5". And are 3 years old. I have them in my 180 with the Bemba now.
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gw12269, I took a look at your youtube vids. Good looking trophs.

Love those Red rainbows. Very colorful.

Have they bred for you?

Also, thanks for the info about the growth rates and sizes youve experienced.

Im sure that tons of others have grown lots of f1's all the way to five inches...and it seems its a 3 year process and that its doable in a variety of tanks
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Just look in my record book and my first Red Rainbow holding in June 16 and now they are 3 (+,-) inch ( so it take me 6 months to grown them from holding to 3 inch) All my F1 living the same tank with my wild caught group in 75gal tank. In my wish list I want to grown a big group of RR and I make it ( got 61 right now from 1.5 to 5 inch) so and the second will have a bigger tank 6 to 8 feet long to see how big and fast they can grown. For me it take 12 to 14 months to grown from fry to 4.5 to 5 inch it also depend on a lot of thing water change, filtration, water condition and food.
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Just couple comments.....

It is not the size of the tank, but the amount of water you change that makes your fish grow faster. For example if you have a Tropheus in a tea cup but you have fresh water flowing in, your fish will grow as fast as in a big tank.

Tropheus are sexually mature at 12 to 18 months, regardless of their size.

I would doubt that 3" Tropheus are truly wild, It would depend on your definition of wild, if you consider fish raised in ponds or vats at the lake wild, then maybe.

I think that 3 - 5 years would be a fair assessment to get close to the size of some wild fish. I don't feed my Tropheus like some do, and So it may take longer but personally I don't care if the don't get as large as some of these wild fish we see coming in.

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I've seen some truly massive WC Tropheus that are old aged kept by local Houston hobbyists for many years but none of them were true 5" specimens. They do about 90% water changes with carbon filtered water. They were around 4.5" as measured on a ruler, but they were very thick and tall at the shoulders. I don't believe that there many true 5" Tropheus around as claimed by some over-enthusiastic hobbyists and importers. Just stating what I've seen in personal experience.
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Trophish spent many years on tour with his favorite Hippy band. Thats why. He grows them in his Loving Cup.

LMCBO!

Thats awesome!

Sorry I didn't see this sooner!
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