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Old 09-04-2013
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curious as to why u mix the f1 and the wilds? if your trying to provide f1 fry, they look awesome however
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curious as to why u mix the f1 and the wilds? if your trying to provide f1 fry, they look awesome however
I only mixed the F1 females with the WC colony. So the F1 females will be spawning with WC males. Ultimately getting a similar sized gene pool, if not better. So why not. The F1 females were all nice to begin with.

Plus Ive had them since they were 1.5". Im kind of partial to them...
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Old 09-05-2013
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Your ikola are beautiful. Very solid band. Nothing wrong with mixing the F1 females with the WC colony. It's more genetic diversity.
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curious as to why u mix the f1 and the wilds? if your trying to provide f1 fry, they look awesome however
This question spured a thought. (just for discussion)

What do you call a offspring from a F1 (Unrelated) offspring bred to a WC.

So if the sire is WC. ITs not a father daughter breeding.

They are completely unrelated.

And The resulting offspring are first generation off wild. Hence the origin of the term "F1"

What do you call this situation. F1.5?

Either way...you will have nothing but top notch offspring from that group of amazing fish. And the offspring will be scatter bred and have a Wild parent.

Absolutely no reason those fish should not be worth the same or more that true F1's.

They arnt so far as to be able to say selectively tank bred.

But the are a bit more guided than straight run wilds.

To be honest...Id prefer these semi guided F1's..
I bet off spring from them would be supa nice.


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There was a discussion on houstonfishbox about this but I didn't agree with it. People said regardless of what the filial generation of the fish breeding with wild fish, the fry would be considered to be a filial generation after the latest. For instance, a F1 fish breeding with a wild fish would produce F2. Some have called it F1B I believe. Or if a F5 bred with wild fish the fry would be considered F6. I personally don't care about that and it's highly over rated. Would take generations of interbreeding to cause mutations.
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This question spured a thought. (just for discussion)

What do you call a offspring from a F1 (Unrelated) offspring bred to a WC.

To be honest...Id prefer these semi guided F1's..
I bet off spring from them would be supa nice.


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There was a discussion on houstonfishbox about this but I didn't agree with it. People said regardless of what the filial generation of the fish breeding with wild fish, the fry would be considered to be a filial generation after the latest. For instance, a F1 fish breeding with a wild fish would produce F2. Some have called it F1B I believe. Or if a F5 bred with wild fish the fry would be considered F6. I personally don't care about that and it's highly over rated. Would take generations of interbreeding to cause mutations.
Here is my take on this topic that was discussed here back in 2011

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maybe F1A, B or C... Depending on the Cross of F1.

As Long as they are not related then truly they produce F1 being they're 1 Generation removed from WC thus following, their gene pool. Remember that the Filial designation is directly related to the WC parent removal level.

(Just brain storming here) So to answer the Question of how far out in generations one can go, breeding to WC and still produce F1... Like these Savannah Cats, there should be different levels...

So, we have:

I. F1, F2, F3, etc...

A. F1 = At least 1 WC Parent
1. F1A = WC x WC Parentage
2. F1B = WC x F1A
3. F1C = WC x F1B
4. F1D = WC x F1C

B. F2 = At least 1 WC Grandparent
1. F2A = F1A x F1A
2. F2B = F1A x F2A
3. F2C = F1A x F2B
4. F2D = F1A x F2C

C. F3 = At least 1 WC Great Grandparent
1. F3A = F2A x F2A
2. F3B = F2A x F3A
3. F3C = F2A x F3B
4. F3D = F2A x F3C

II. Filial Generation Grades A, B, C and D.

A. Filial Grade A = Original Parent Gen. x Original Parent Gen.
B. Filial Grade B = Original Parent Gen. x Second Gen.
C. Filial Grade C = Original Parent Gen. x Third Gen.
D. Filial Grade D = Original Parent Gen. x Fourth Gen.
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WIll do.

By the way, here are the 9 F1 Females with their new family of WC....

P.S. Sorry for the noise... I had a fan on in the background to help with the AC....

Hi Andrew and all tropheus lovers out there. I have a question relate to the same topic. I have a colony of 28 Moliro F1 ( 3.5 to 4.5 inches) and they had produced 35 babies. The babies size are from 1.5 to 2 inches. My plan is to put them together with the parents. The parent are in a 120 gallons tank 60" x 18" x 26" with 20 yellow Lab (2" 3 inches)-----

Can I put them now or I must wait until the babies grow to at least 3 inches?
Please give me all the advises you can. Thanks all.
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Hi Andrew and all tropheus lovers out there. I have a question relate to the same topic. I have a colony of 28 Moliro F1 ( 3.5 to 4.5 inches) and they had produced 35 babies. The babies size are from 1.5 to 2 inches. My plan is to put them together with the parents. The parent are in a 120 gallons tank 60" x 18" x 26" with 20 yellow Lab (2" 3 inches)-----

Can I put them now or I must wait until the babies grow to at least 3 inches?
Please give me all the advises you can. Thanks all.
I think that my first question to you is:

What is your Goal with this colony?

Breeding or simple ownership of a large colony and not selling the fry?
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I think that my first question to you is:

What is your Goal with this colony?

Breeding or simple ownership of a large colony and not selling the fry?
Answer: To ownership a large colony. I was trying to get 10 to 15 female F1
but it is impossible to get them. and since I want a big colony I have decided
to add the f2 babies to the adult colony.

But my question is. Can I put the babies with the parents as this small size 1.5 to 2 inches or I should wait? Please advise. thanks
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I think that my first question to you is:

What is your Goal with this colony?

Breeding or simple ownership of a large colony and not selling the fry?
Answer: To ownership a large colony. I was trying to get 10 to 15 female F1
but it is impossible to get them. and since I want a big colony I have decided
to add the f2 babies to the adult colony.

But my question is. Can I put the babies with the parents as this small size 1.5 to 2 inches or I should wait? Please advise. thanks
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