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geost
04-30-2010, 02:36 AM
would like to share some fry development story:
1. Father meets Mother

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad55/do...ProudFather.jpg (http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad55/doctorg74/ProudFather.jpg)
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad55/doctorg74/Red2.jpg

2. Being a good mother after 3 weeks and still holding. Typically petros can hold for 4-6 weeks. In thinking after 3 weeks the egg sacks would be good as I'm not a fan of tumbling, I decided to strip and the result was surprising to me with most of the egg sack still intact.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad55/do...4/3weeksold.jpg (http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad55/doctorg74/3weeksold.jpg)

3. Growing quickly, at 4 weeks, the egg sacks is virtually absorbed and has become the intestine of the fry. They are eager to eat on their own already. In approximately a week, they grew 0.5 inch and are now a bit over 1 inch.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad55/do...pment26days.jpg (http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad55/doctorg74/development26days.jpg)

4. They are looking for food. I've housed them in a tote in the main tank and they are always looking for food. Eating floating debris and are cool to watch for hours. There are 17 fry and very mellow as fry except when the mother comes close to the tote and they try to rush into her mouth. Mother is getting ready to spawn again. So stay tuned for updates. It is my hope that members share their petro spawning development in order for us to learn what not to do sort of speak and in turn propigate this rare and gorgeous species.

Look for a weekly update.

swk
04-30-2010, 10:59 AM
:bowdown: Congrats George! You're the man! Looks like you're keeping these in the 200 gal? They look great on that black backround!

tbui1178
04-30-2010, 11:49 AM
Alot of good success with these guys. Good luck!

billansor
04-30-2010, 09:33 PM
Hi

The pictures for George.

Looking really neat... the father is fantastic!!

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae347/billansor1/ProudFather.jpg

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae347/billansor1/Mother.jpg

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae347/billansor1/3weeksold.jpg

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae347/billansor1/development26days.jpg

Again.. Congratulations and excellent educational process for us..

Bill :)

Heather
04-30-2010, 09:37 PM
:ac15: :ac15: :ac15:


Congrats again on all of your success my friend, they sure are growing fast! :clapping:

geost
04-30-2010, 10:03 PM
Thanks guys and gal! Bill thanks for fixing the pics.

Still learning with the camera and my apologies for the blurry image of the fry (taken from my iphone).

blkg35
05-02-2010, 06:36 AM
Congratulations George. The father is a real stunner.
Are they going back in the main tank or a growout tank???

Mr. Johnson
05-02-2010, 12:31 PM
Two words!

Ghetto Rich! :bowdown:

CichlidsandHerps
05-02-2010, 02:30 PM
Congratulations George...Proof that good things do come to those who wait!

geost
05-02-2010, 03:05 PM
Thanks David. The fry are in the main tank (200g) but in a homemade tote for safety. They are protected from any potential threats. In the main tank there are a few troph fry as well, so when the red fry get big enough off they go for better growth rates. I will do this as well for any beat up petro adults or trophs for rehab. It is the next best thing to seperation and you don't have to worry about reintroduction to the colony as much.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(blkg35 @ May 2 2010, 04:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=44601)</div>Congratulations George. The father is a real stunner.
Are they going back in the main tank or a growout tank???[/b]

geost
05-02-2010, 03:09 PM
Thanks Thai, this is fun for me and hope they continue to breed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mr. Johnson @ May 2 2010, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=44606)</div>Two words!

Ghetto Rich! :bowdown:[/b]

geost
05-02-2010, 03:22 PM
Thanks Alison, this is a true testament to your good fish keeping practices (quarantine, maintenance, diet and general husbandry; shipping etc) without that it would have taken me years to condition them. Without your dedication and tenacity for the hobby these beautiful specimens would have never made it to the US.

In this hobby it is all in the patience, it's like watching paint dry sometimes but just prettier to look at.. :lol: .


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CichlidsandHerps @ May 2 2010, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=44607)</div>Congratulations George...Proof that good things do come to those who wait![/b]

geost
05-09-2010, 08:54 PM
Another update, after approximately 6 weeks, the majority of the egg sacks has been absorbed and the fry are starting to forage more for their own food. They will go for spirulina flakes or NLS, Dainichi pellets as well. They are on their 8th week now and they are eating floating debris in the tank (consisting of shrimp mix, daphnia and cycloopseeze). In about a week, they grew 1cm. I will see how they progress with this feeding regiment (2x / day, 5-6 days per week). The fry are a bit over 1 to 1.5" and others sucessful in breeding them have started to sell them at this size. There is nothing wrong with this but since this is my first group of fry I would like to see how they develop first before eventually selling some of them.

Hope others chime in with their experiences with the red fry.

geost
05-09-2010, 09:08 PM
Fry color changes, when the tank is lighted up, they are white with black bars. During low light conditions in the tank, they do have a yellow brown tinge to some of them. I look forward to seeing their development with types of food impacting growth and color.

Mix diet is the current method and they have grown quickly with petro or trophs standards, about 1 cm in a week. I can't tell if males grow faster than females at this age (almost 2 months young).

dww-law
05-09-2010, 11:31 PM
George
I have had my 14 Bulu fry for about 3 weeks (Actually 8 for a little over 3 weeks and 6 for about 2 weeks). I have mine in my 60 gallon grow out tank as I do not want to risk injury in my main tank (I paid a lot of money for them and I am paranoid right now about losing one). I have noticed that mine also look white with faint black bars in the light and darker in low light conditions. One thing I have noticed in the last three weeks is they grow very fast, much faster than my troph fry. The other thing I noticed is when I had my troph fry with them, they swam right up to the top of the water to get food. I sold all the troph fry two days ago and the Bulu's now hang out in a 25 pound Texas holy rock in the tank. When I drop the food in, they stay in the holes and dart out a grab the flake when it sinks. Pretty funny to watch them.

Congrats on your spawn. Bulu's are very rare and with all the successful spawns I have read about it appears more of these fish will become available here in the US.

Don

geost
05-10-2010, 03:39 AM
Hi Don, I know what you mean and thanks. I keep mine with the main group but in a tote to minimize any potential issues. I have had several escape out of thier tote and try to enter the father and mother's mouths but they reject it...very cool to watch. After egg sacks are gone it seems the fry are on their own.

At this age they are self sufficient and school with their siblings. Don, they will be eating off your hands in no time flat.

I heard from some of our EU friends that at this age,pure spirulina flake may cause bloat. I have not observed any ill effects however, I do minimize their consumption to once per month. My shrimp mix contains spirulina so that is why I provide a mix diet.

Apexpredator
05-13-2010, 06:52 PM
I have never had an issue feeding spirulina flake to petro fry. Still, it is always a good idea to vary the diet. Some good shrimp mix will really stimulate their growth.

geost
05-14-2010, 12:45 AM
+1 never had an issue personally either. Good food at this early stage is important for future development.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Apexpredator @ May 13 2010, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=44970)</div>I have never had an issue feeding spirulina flake to petro fry. Still, it is always a good idea to vary the diet. Some good shrimp mix will really stimulate their growth.[/b]

dww-law
05-18-2010, 11:32 PM
George
How many adults do you have. Just a pair (Male and female) or more?

geost
05-19-2010, 01:18 AM
Don I have 2 pairs. The breeders M is 8", F is 7"; the other pair is about 5.5".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dww-law @ May 18 2010, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=45138)</div>George
How many adults do you have. Just a pair (Male and female) or more?[/b]

geost
08-03-2010, 02:45 AM
Have not updated this thread in awhile so here is an update.

Largest fry are now pushing 3.5 inch and schooling. Colors show yellow and red on their fins and some on the body but only developing. A few are with black vertical bars and it is still unknown between the sexes. Growth seemed to slow down at 3 in length wise but seem to show some vertical growth proportional to the length. I have 2 different spawns from the alpha and 2 females but the fry form 2 different schools, arranged by sizes; the 3" school and the 1" school. The parents do not hunt or mess with the fry unlike certain other petro species.

I go through a 6oz of pellets in about 1 to 1.5 weeks just feeding the reds, can they eat a lot... The fry are not feeding off my hands yet but they are starting to come close during feedings. Pics to follow..

gonefishingaquatics
08-03-2010, 02:20 PM
Very nice to hear that, i have always wondered when the fry would start showing some colors.

Mr. Johnson
08-03-2010, 03:05 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(geost @ Aug 3 2010, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=47480)</div>Have not updated this thread in awhile so here is an update.

Largest fry are now pushing 3.5 inch and schooling. Colors show yellow and red on their fins and some on the body but only developing. A few are with black vertical bars and it is still unknown between the sexes. Growth seemed to slow down at 3 in length wise but seem to show some vertical growth proportional to the length. I have 2 different spawns from the alpha and 2 females but the fry form 2 different schools, arranged by sizes; the 3" school and the 1" school. The parents do not hunt or mess with the fry unlike certain other petro species.

I go through a 6oz of pellets in about 1 to 1.5 weeks just feeding the reds, can they eat a lot... The fry are not feeding off my hands yet but they are starting to come close during feedings. Pics to follow..[/b]

You Sir know how to keep some fish!

:bowdown:

geost
08-03-2010, 04:41 PM
Thanks T, it is all just luck. My moshis do not breed at all...